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Post by i got issues on Jan 5, 2004 12:20:52 GMT -5
The speration fence is a fence to isolate israel from the west bank and the gaza strip to stop people from coming in with bombs etc and making attacks. The international community has decided that this is very bad and has to be stopped though it has lowered the amount of terrorist attackjs greatly. Personally, iam pro Meir Kahane right wing and think that the fence is great. Is rael was requested to stand trial infront of the international court in prague and let them decide if it is legal. I want to know what you think about the fence etc.
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Post by supersaiyan3 on Jan 6, 2004 19:17:30 GMT -5
i personally think instead of doing all this shit we should just go after the terrorists.....start a massive huntdown killing every palestinian civilian in the way.....who said they have more of a right to live that the terror victims do......so lets kill em all
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Post by CptCatz on Jan 6, 2004 19:37:47 GMT -5
well i agree with what supersaiyan said but you know that cant and will not ever happen. about the fence, while it will probably stop some of the terrorism, a lot of it it inside israel too. its not like every suicide bomber comes from the west bank. there are also palistinians living inside israel.
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Post by i got issues on Jan 6, 2004 20:43:23 GMT -5
Well, r missing the point that all of the bombers are ocming from inside. THe assistants are from israel but we wont need to go after the assistants if there arent suicide bombers to go afyter
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Post by thewisdom on Jan 10, 2004 13:35:40 GMT -5
you guys have to remember at the moment israel is a jewish state not palestinian. its as if the american gov't decided to kick out at the mexicans in the country because they were starting riots. israel is headed by israelies not palestinians and it is a jewish israelie gov't which means they have the right to control their own country. the fence is exactly in my mind what israel has to do. they have to build the fence and take all the other palestiians that are on the israelie side and place them on the other. you cannot forget also that the israelie gov't are the ones that even allowed the palestinians to stay in israel and they even handed them guns in order to protect themselves. but the truth is no body wants them because all they do is start trouble. syria doesnt want them. jordan doesnt. egypt doesnt because all of their " arab brothers" are crazy and they know that there no good. so we have to take them and place them in the country that is theirs. its not israel and its not palestine because palestine never has existed ever. it as the arab name for israel. there was never at any point in time a specific state of palastine.
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Post by CptCatz on Jan 10, 2004 14:37:40 GMT -5
i believe before 1948 the land which is now Israel was called Palastine
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Post by supersaiyan3 on Jan 10, 2004 17:29:35 GMT -5
seriously for someone with the username thewisdom that comment was pretty pathetic. How could one NOT KNOW that Israel used to be caled Palestine. Some ignoramouses today call it palestine. Yeh that pretty much made me think alot less of the validity of your other political posts since you seem to be a genious on politics and history....(bmfffffffff)
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Post by ezrider1234567 on Jan 10, 2004 18:16:20 GMT -5
first of all, the israelis are already hunting down every known terrorist, but that is very hard, as you can tell from their recent mishaps. secondly, the fence is a good idea even it stops one person from being killed. having already done that, it will only serve to benefit the israeli people. as to whether it is legal, there is no precedent that should say that it is illegal. it isn't keeping the palestinians (yimach sheimam) out, it is merely ensuring that they go through the checkpoints when they want to get in. anybody who has a problem with the fence is clearly worried about the checkpoints, which have not been deemed illegal. those are specifically the people for whom the fence was desgined. the people who have something to hide. the terrorists.
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Post by thewisdom on Jan 10, 2004 18:34:09 GMT -5
sorry to burst your bubble but it was never a declared country. the land that was so called palestine was a peaice of land owned by britian before 1948. the palestinians say that palestine was an actually state before israel which is false. yes the peice of land was refferd to as palestine but it was never a state.
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Post by CptCatz on Jan 10, 2004 18:52:09 GMT -5
yes your right that it wasnt a country but it was still called Palastine. the islands of hawaii are not countries but they are still called Hawaii. a piece of land can have a name while not being a country.
thewisdom, it cant be illegal if the government is building it. its like when sadaam husein was killing all those people, it wasnt illegal because sadaam was the person who made the rules.
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Post by thewisdom on Jan 10, 2004 19:01:29 GMT -5
well the british goverment wasnt building "palestine" at the time thats why it was given to the jews because there was nothing there and no one wanted it. and hawaii is called hawaii because its part of a country. israel is a country not literally a state as we know it to be in america. israel wasnt part of any country and that time. israel had just been taken over by the british goverment but they did not include it into the british kingdom. it was scrap land that was used to screw over other countries. it was all tactical and it had no real importance. they needed to give it a name in order to disguss the piece of land but it was never declared by any one with the name of palestine.
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Post by supersaiyan3 on Jan 10, 2004 21:53:48 GMT -5
well the british goverment wasnt building "palestine" at the time thats why it was given to the jews because there was nothing there and no one wanted it.
your a fucking moron.....do you have any idea how many people died over who gets to control that land.....smart comment once again by thewisdom.....
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Post by CptCatz on Jan 10, 2004 22:04:15 GMT -5
no wisdom guy, your saying in 1948 there was no war, the british just gave the land to the jews? i could have sworn there was a war in 1948 that the jews won to win israel
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Post by thewisdom on Jan 10, 2004 22:35:41 GMT -5
um... did u even read wat i wrote? the reason why there was a war over it was because it was a tactical pice it had no true worth to other countrys other than the jews. it was a trade route and which ever country owned that piece they would have control over the route in the middle east. thats why there was a war because the countrys wanted to control the trade routes there. not because the land was well developed or had a value other than trade. the only reason why there was a war in 1948 even was because the land was given to the jews by the united nations but the rest of the middle east new that they would use it to their own benifits rather than to the trade and the nations that voted against the state of israel had that frame of mind so they started with israel. israel wouldnt of been involved unless it was given to them. the jews didnt give. all they wanted was land they didnt care were it was they jjsut wanted it. you guys have to check your sources before trying to talk and make sure u read every word because i said it was a tactical piece of land and thats why people faught not that it had any true importance.
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Post by ezrider1234567 on Jan 10, 2004 22:56:21 GMT -5
the reason why there was a war over it was because it was a tactical pice it had no true worth to other countrys other than the jews. it was a trade route and which ever country owned that piece they would have control over the route in the middle east. thats why there was a war because the countrys wanted to control the trade routes there. not because the land was well developed or had a value other than trade. the only reason why there was a war in 1948 even was because the land was given to the jews by the united nations but the rest of the middle east new that they would use it to their own benifits rather than to the trade and the nations that voted against the state of israel had that frame of mind so they started with israel. It's interesting that you say this, because in your prior post you mentioned how the land had nothing, but here you say that it was used as a strong trade route. I would be very impressed if you could show me any proof of the trade infrastructure that existed prior to the establishment of the state of Israel. You know why I would be impressed? I would be impressed because there was none. Secondly, if the land had only mattered to the Jews, then the neighbouring Arab nations wouldn't have fought the Israelis for it. Clearly a few other people weren't exactly happy that the Israelis were moving in to the sacred land of Allah and the holy city of Muhamed's prophecy. Thirdly, if you are trying to tell me that Egypt fought with Israel because it wanted control over Israel's trade routes, you would be so fargone that it almost isn't worth correcting you. Egypt's shoreline on the Mediteranian far surpasses that of Israel. You said that we should check our facts...I move to have you banned from this discussion and all of your points stricken by the site's administrators. You become more erractic, desperate, and incorrect with each post. You, sir, should be checking your sources. |
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