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Post by thewisdom on Jan 10, 2004 23:50:25 GMT -5
there was nothing in the land itself. if you would go and check history books in order for trade routes to go from either africa of egypt the fastest way is through israel which means that it is part of a major trade route that passes through the middle east. any one that has any knowledge of the middle east knows thats why the piece of land was so valuable. then, the reason for why the arabs fought the israelies for it was because they didnt want another completely different form of gov't in that sec. of the world. its the same today. they dont whant jews there because it prevents them from havin control of the whole middle east which is a huge goal to them. so now show me one history text book that shows that trade did not pass through israel prior to its establishment because that would impress me alot
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Post by ezrider1234567 on Jan 11, 2004 8:44:15 GMT -5
if you can show me the infrastructure that existed for trade, then i would gladly search for major trading that took place in the region.
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Post by CptCatz on Jan 11, 2004 10:25:13 GMT -5
hes right about a trade route but not in 1948. the trade route was important in the days of the bible when they had to travel on horseback. in 1948 they had airplanes and cars and the trade routes meant nothing anymore. and you cant say that the jews wanted any piece of land. israel is the holy land for the jews. thats where the beit hamikdash was and where the kotel is still standing. its pretty much the holiest place in the world for jews, christians, and the second most holy place for the muslims. its not like people didnt care about the land.
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Post by i got issues on Jan 11, 2004 11:36:27 GMT -5
To go over a few things and clarify some things. I agree with different people o nthis board about different things. Firstly, israel is a jewish coutry now and honestly has the right to do whatever it wants, ,including building a fence to keep out terrorists. The jewish state now is called israel and before that, it was called palestine. Palestine, in the 1940's wasnt a trade route at all actually, most of the country was swampy, especially the north. It was however a very important piece of land but that was purely tactical, they used it because you were able to fight from it against many places. After WWII, britins army was awake and occupying many lands, While in palestine, they were waging war with jews and arabs alike because if anything was to arise in the mid east, israel would be the place to house an army, able to attack anywhere. They called it palestine because it was called palestine by all of the poeple leading back since about 1000, when the turks, who are muslim occupied it. Britain took control after WWI and kept the name but didnt give it to either religion. Both religions were still fighting for it but britain wanted that strateigc hot spot. At a point, some guy, i dont remember who helped britain develop explosives for the army and the british foregin minister, Balfour, made a decleration that becuse an israeli helped the birtish, the UN should establish a country for the jews in "Palestine". This land was given tot he jews but the muslims who also wanted it didnt like the idea so they all attacked and israle was able to fight them off. So in summary, it wasnt a trade route but ewas still a tactical country. Also, in response to the speration fences connection to this, we can see from this whole war that the orgins of bombing etc against us didnst start at the beggingn of the intifada and since it hasnt stopped in 55 years, something drastic has to be done to protect our rigtfully won jewish country.
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Post by thewisdom on Jan 11, 2004 16:33:43 GMT -5
yes you are right about alot of that and yes the land was refferd to as palestine but palestine was never a nationally declared country at any point in history. yes the piece of land was called palestine due to the fact that in politics you need to have a name for things and u cant go around saying oh yeah that piece of land in the middle east. u have to call it somthing. u are right about that israel was not a trade route directly before 1948 but the reason for why any nation had wanted it before ww2 was because of that soul reason. during ww1 airplanes were not secure enough to transport so by car and horse back was still the means of transportation at that time. but yes getting back to the real point of this topic ( the fence) somthing drastic does need to take place and i have spoken to people that have a big politcal influence in israel and alot of them feel the need for the fence to be a first step in making israel peaceful.
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Post by ezrider1234567 on Jan 13, 2004 8:14:38 GMT -5
On Sunday, Ariel Sharon was quoted in the New York Times, saying, "I know that people are talking about the fence. You know who built the fence? Terror built the fence!" This is one of the only times I really like what he has said to the international media. As well, anyone who reads HonestReporting, the recent communique on the BBC is amazing and terrible at the same time. Check it out. It was just released.
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